[TimeZone]

Well...since me r borez>.<
i'll shall post a thread...that i thought would have been posted..
God..Real?...or Not?..
I Want A Why....(not a becuase 'thats what i think')..
i want a good explainsion of y u believe so?..
a good lengthy post....
just try too...make me believe what u believe;D..
So?....Lets See If Your Peoples have A Reason..Too Believe What You Believe?...

[AZombieNamedFinalFantasy]

Dear TimeZone. I believe in God because the Universe without him didn't make sence. Using a simple scientific law you can believe in this brother. Action and Reaction. All in the world have a origin, and this origin was an action. The reaction of the God's action is you and me, and all Universe. But you can ask to me: And what was the action to the God result? God don't have a begin or an end. God are above this. He is infinite. I hope you understand.

[TimeZone]

lol..thanks for the letterXD..
glad to u hear u believe in God..
so god is infintie?....but the question is...do u show it?...do u please him?..
because believeing in him is not enough....
example....someone my say..there good at soccer...they show u there stats...blah..blah.blah...but...just beucase u see those stats...doesn't mean hes that good....
for all u know...everyone else could suck:/....so...he shows u how he plays...then..u make a desicion...
i'm just saying...but if u believe in something....something higher then U...wouldn't u want to get respect from him/her/it?..
again...i'm bored..please post>.<..
so i can write random things>.<..

[KingdomKeyblader]

I personally don't believe in god/gods. Most people say god is infinate, but EVERYTHING has to begin. It is inphathomable to think of something without a beginning or an end. People go crazy at the mear thought of there not being a God. I mean, I wouldn't mind if there was one, but I couldn't think of anything that doesn't begin or end. Even pure thought has a beginning and end.

[AZombieNamedFinalFantasy]

Dear TimeZone. I believe that i'm in debt to respect Him, because He created me. I don't please to Him to exist, but if He created me... It's a conflict in my mind. I don't please to Him to exist, but now i exist, and my existence are important to me, but just because He created, get it? KingdomKeyblader, i respect your opinion, but to me, you're wrong. God are infinite, don't have a begin or an end BUT! Your creations have a begin, but not an end, and the material things too, KingdomKeyblader. You say "Even pure thought has a beginning and end." but you wrong. When you die, the atoms of your body will be spread around all the world, they don't end. All is energy, and energy never ends.

[KingdomKeyblader]

ACtually, Zombie, thought is the mind at work. The mind needs to "start" to create thought. That is the beginning. The end of thought is, as you said, once the person is dead.(This is limited to one single person)

On the whole God thing, I respect your option. And I do know that I may be wrong now, but I guess I will find out when I die.

Also, if you have heard this phrase, "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction". Yes this is usually based off of science, but it was also thought of as philosophy. As said, everything has a beginning and end. Time couldn't be forever...(as in God couldn't have always been) unless created by an equal/opposite reaction. Again, it is unphathomable to even begin to try to concieve the first "thing, person" in/before creation. Most believe it is very simple, that God has always been and will always be, but there is no basis(didn't say scientific basis) for the fact/option.

[Cloud07]

To live forever would be hell itself to me. I am a man of science and it's easy to see that the age of science has progressed humankind forward. Our minds our so complex, we cannot foresee the end of our own existence. Religion gives comfort to be people, but I am so well-read up on things, that's it's impossible to deny that science exist out there. It cannot fully explain everything, but it helps lives our lives to much more full. I would not want to die ignorant of things... for example... the wrong religion. The irony is Christianity is just as violent as the others, but has been toned down due to separation of church versus state and the respect of others religions.

[AZombieNamedFinalFantasy]

Keyblader, remember the example that said? This is not limited. It's to all material things. And yes, i agree with you .when you said that the mind needs to start, to begin. And what is it? "Equal and opposite reaction"? WTF is this? If the reaction is opposite, how it can be equal? I'm not going to be sarcastic, i really don't understand! Don't understand wrong! Please explain me! When you said all have a begin and an end, sorry, i desagree! It is just opinion. We don't need to apoplogize our opinions and going to make a discussion! And about the time, you're wrong to me too!!! The time is ilimited! You know how the time is made? And have some people comforted with religion, and some of these people search these religions for don't think about the your dead or existential questions. But have some others peoples that are searching for the truth, not comfort. Cloud, don't talk like you stayed talking about all peoples. When the science says that God don't exist, they don't have any proof to comprove this. Plus, this illogical, as i said. Don't down the philosofy. The same philosofy talked about the atoms a long times ago. Descartes have proved with scientific logic the God existence. And yes Cloud, wrong religions are ignorant things. Make sure you don't be in these fanatics religions that believe in things just because are write in "Sacred Book", with some controversal conteud. And man... This forum rocks! I love these conversations!

[valentine1]

well when i heard this it made sence to me
god is an interseting concept. god needs faith to truely exist in our hearts, minds, and souls. some people want hard core proof of his existance, but if they had there proof why would we need faith. and with out faith he couldnt exist. so the only way to prove/disprove god is to have faith.

[KingdomKeyblader]

As you said Zombie, I can't prove that God doesn't exist, but so far, none have DEFINATE PROOF that he/she does or has ever existed. people give him/her life through religion. All material things are material things but what of the material things? If god created the universe, then what is god to the universe? I know the whole alpha and omega thing, but there should be substance for substances sake.(Do you get what I just said?)

On the Equal but opposite reaction, it is my view of all forces. Say you are walking down the street, your feet give off energy into the ground, which moves you forward with an opposite reaction.

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\ / force of foot
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/ \ force of ground pushing back on foot.
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The force(energy) from the ground moves you forward. If the force was less(which is has never occured) Theory says you would fall through the ground(Not like a cloud, slowly) If the force is too great, then you would bounce around everywhere.

(That whole section was science)

But back to the discussion.

There needs to be an equal but opposite reaction to become anything, even thought. To have created the universe, "god" would have had to create a reaction.
He, God, is the equal reaction. the opposite would be the creation of the universe. Hence, God would have to exist.

Now I know that this sounds like I disproved my own point, but continue reading.

If God now exists from this equal / opposite reaction, then he IS bound by time and energy. Even if he is to live for 1,000,000,000,000,000 years old, he is still under confindment. This disproves the fact that he isn't bound by space and time. He has to be something. This would disprove your statement and create a new realm of discussion.

Wow. That was long. Typed it out myself I did>

[AZombieNamedFinalFantasy]

The definition of the proof that you're talking about depends of your creed. In this case, you're atheu, then it's good to you to think why some things are real or not to you. I'm talknig about all material things, or condensed energy, if you prefer. I said: "Keyblader, remember the example that said? This is not limited. It's to all material things.". Sorry but i can't reply all affirmations, because in my dictionarie don't have the word "bound"! Whats is it!?

[invisible]

[SIZE=3]*takes a deep breath* Okay, now I say my piece. Don't spite me for it, don't screw with me about it, cause I am extremely defensive and will kill you for it. Next little monster I come across in my videogame will have your face, should you dare.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]God, to me, is real. I believe in Him and His existence and His creation, and I love Him. I attempt to follow Him, and when I don't make it, He forgives me, and we begin again, tackling that subject. Truth is, I can't get through life without Him. Just knowing that someone loves me unconditionally gives me strength, much less the most powerful being in the universe.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]For the people of science, you have to look at microbiology to truly understand the complexity of it all...could anything that clear truly be the work of evolution? I think not. Intelligent design is at work. The intricate complexity of this world and everything in it, balancing each other out, could not simply be the work of evolution, but of something more, something that would have come up with the idea of balance and the understanding for that balance to begin with. This world is truly amazing in its wonder, and things like sunsets and butterflies...can you truly say that that is not the work of a Savior who loves us all?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]I live for Him because I have a choice to, and I choose to stand with Him. I choose to be saved, and to open my heart to Him, and to let Him search all my darkest corners and still pronounce me beautiful in His eyes. I don't know about you, but I think it's a pretty good deal, because in addition to that, I get an eternal afterlife of true happiness and bliss and being with the people I truly love forever, and no more fights, no more war, no more discontent or excrutiating confusion or hate or anger or anything like that. Just the rawest form of me. And somehow, I have the faith to believe in Him and keep my belief strong for as long as it takes. I say, let His will be done, because He does know best for me, and I've given everything to Him.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Another thing...there's this little saying I found a while back that goes: [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]"I would rather live life as if there is a God[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]To die and find out there's not[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Than to live as if there isn't a God[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]To die and find out there is."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]*shrugs* Just a thought.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]I hope I've answered your question in the way you meant it to be....[/SIZE]

[AZombieNamedFinalFantasy]

Now i know whats bound! Sorry for my poor english! Well, your explanation is no sence to me! I understand the action/reaction with other way, like a complexy web... Plus, your example indirect talks about pression, impulse, gravity and time, and other things, certainly. You're using an material example, in this case, the step and the ground. Action/Reaction law are applicaded in energy too. In all things. Now is good to think: " Whats/Who's God?", to just TRY to know something about Him, then, TRY to understand Your creations and existence. Feelings, ideias... The reaction for the Hironobu "ideia" of Final Fantasy are that speech. An immaterial thing, the ideia, make we write these replies in an relacioned forum of the ideia. He, ( Hironobu ) affect our lifes with your existence, like God. This is not a comparation. Now, to me, this would disprove your statement and create a new realm of discussion. What's/Who's God? And, yes, this is part of the discussion. Understanding, or acepting "temporaly" your existence, we can explain some things, and, proves Your existence.

[Evilynn]

Originally Posted by AZombieNamedFinalFantasy

What's/Who's God?

"Here comes God...and she's a cat."
I believe there's a book with that name. :P I hope it's true.

Then again, I used to believe in God, and since I used to, I vaguely do, a little bit, still. Although I had decided to stop believing in him cause s/he only scared me, when I was little. S/he scared me a lot actually. xD
Sooo...I'm actually just trying to put together my own beliefs...still working on that. :P